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Post by Fletch on Jul 16, 2009 22:07:40 GMT -8
The other day while hanging out at the hospital, while Teri was napping. I was browsing the Street Rodder and Rod & Custom websites looking for future projects. It's amazing the number of "Feature Cars" that when looked at 5 or 6 years after they have been in the magazine you realize just how unattractive they really are. Anyway, while surfing the sites I ran across this gem; The Rollin' Bones '32 Hi Boy Sedan: Hosted on FotkiSuppose to be 242 louvers on the roof alone Nice little early hemi with 3 deuces mounted up top The first cuts were made during a trip home yesterday afternoon. the rest of the chop was finished between 11pm last night and 12:30am this morning. The 5" chop in the rear and 5.5" in the front required the roof to be sliced in a couple of places to accommodate the the stretch between the "A" & "C" pillars. The chassis needed the frame horns removed on both ends, the front still needs the frame rails pinched to fit behind the radiator surround. The rear of the frame still needs some work as it needs a '28-'31 rear cross-member added then the frame rails straightened and extended to the rear of the body. Hosted on FotkiFor the early hemi, I'm thinking the hemi from the Ala-Cart as it's about the right vintage. I need to order a few parts from RMoM and Modelhaus. The "fun" part of this build will be duplicating the 242 louvers on the roof and those on the hood (which I've yet to count). The tires and wheels shown are strictly for mock-up purposes, I'm hoping this build gets as close to the 1:1 as possible. Once the parts arrive we should be good to go getting this project seriously under way.
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Post by brizio on Jul 17, 2009 6:32:08 GMT -8
Great project! I like this rod attitude! Any guess to make the louvers? I made the louvers one time for an old Italian truck in 1/35, and I used a little flat screw driver (the one used for watch). And press it a the same distance on a piece of plastic.
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Post by Fletch on Jul 18, 2009 0:25:31 GMT -8
Thought I'd post an update before sending the body off to a bit of putty work. Also, give you a look at the chassis after the front crossmember was narrowed and the frame rails pinched to get them to hide behind the radiator surround. The area marked in red still needs to be removed to allow the Model A rear crossmember to be added to the chassis. The QC rear end will be mounted ahead of the spring, the black line is the centerline of the rear axle. Hosted on FotkiThere are a couple of areas on the chassis that need a filler piece added as the kit location for the steering box will not be used for the RB Sedan. I don't know where we'd be if not for Revell's "Rat Rod" tires and wheels. The wheels are drying in the garage and the whitewall inserts have been painted as well.
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Post by Fletch on Jul 21, 2009 22:28:20 GMT -8
I read through the article on the Rollin' Bones Sedan, it noted that the roof had 243 louvers, followed by "If you don't believe me count them!" So, I counted them and guess what the article was wrong! There are only 213 louvers on the roof, 47 down the center, 43 in each of the middle rows, 40 in the outside rows and 27 on each side of the hood. I figure the typo was due to someone using the 10 key pad on their keyboard and fat-fingered the 4 key instead of the 1 key. Not that 30 less louvers is going to make a great deal of difference. One our fellow SABA member Carnut suggested using the hood sides from the Revell '32 Roadster. We got to looking at them Sunday at the Mt Hood Mustang's Cruise, they are indeed a usable louver. There are 43 louvers on each hood side. Hosted on FotkiThere are realistically 3 options to using these hood sides; Option #1: Cut the louvers in strips from the hood sides and fit them to openings made in the roof. Option #2: Cut the louver strips from the hood sides, sand then down until they become individual louvers. Draw a grid on the roof and apply them one at a time. Option #3: Use the hood side as a master for an RTV Silicone mold, casting the number of louvers needed. Then, Draw a grid on the roof then apply each louver individually. (kinda sounds like Option #2 but with resin pieces instead of plastic) There is a total of 267 louvers needed for the build. Which equates to a total of about 7 hood sides. Option #1 seems like the most logical and realistic way to go about this task. No matter which option is chosen it will be a fair amount of tedious work. SABA is doing a week long demo at one of the local county fairs next month, so the Rollin' Bones Sedan may slow down until then, but rest assured that it will have 267 louvers when completed.
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Post by Fletch on Jul 25, 2009 2:30:36 GMT -8
It's nice and quite in the house this early morning so I managed to get a bit done on the RB Sedan. The last of the chassis modifications are complete with the installation of the '29-'31 rear cross member. The final cut lines were marked out with the red Sharpie (note to self buy a new Red Sharpie). The cut line marked here lines up with the edges of the pads for the airbags on the inside of the chassis. The center line of the rear axle is the determining factor where the leading edge of the cross member will sit in the frame. Once the cuts were made and squared up the cross member sides were cut down so only the top web remained on each side, this was then sat into the '32 frame. Both sides of the cross member were capped with .010X.250 Evergreen Strip and a strip of .020 Evergreen 3/8" wide was laid across the frame rails behind the rear cross member. Hosted on FotkiThe plan calls for scratch building the rear transverse spring. I'm hoping to get the jig set-up for that later today and get the spring hung and get ready to set the ride height. The front axle will require some work as well seeing how the RB Sedan uses a dropped I-beam axle and the Revell Sedan comes with a tube dropped axle, which will need to be replaced. The general idea is to use the dropped axle from a Revell '29-'31 Ford kit. That axle has pose able steering and a set of spring that are WAY to tall for this installation. With that in mind the springs from the '32 Sedan will get removed from the tube axle and get installed in the I-beam axle from a '29 or '31 kit. Once that is accomplished the ride height can be set on all 4 corners and we can sling some paint.
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Post by carnut on Jul 25, 2009 23:01:44 GMT -8
The chassis looks godd, as does the body work. I really like the top chop. As far as the louvers go check out the new 5 window coupe, it has the same 3 rowed louvered hood sides, so I can get you two more if you want them. Just let me know.
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Post by carnut on Jul 25, 2009 23:03:24 GMT -8
Oops what I ment was that the chassis looks GOOD, my typing is getting bad.
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Post by Fletch on Jul 27, 2009 17:15:02 GMT -8
Mike, with the ones that you gave me at the cruise-in plus the ones from the Roadster kits I have I think we're good to go on the louvers. The plan for the RB Sedan at this point is to go slowly and most likely do the louver work during the 5 days of the Clackamas County Fair. I may get the transverse spring for the rear built yet today seeing how being in the house is a lot more fun then being outside.
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Post by carnut on Aug 1, 2009 9:06:42 GMT -8
The sedan looks great, the chop came out good. I might "borrow" the cut pattern you used for the next time I cut up another sedan.
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Post by Fletch on Aug 23, 2009 22:10:16 GMT -8
This was yesterday's update that I couldn't get posted over here as Pro-Boards was being extremely uncooperative.
Got some work done on adding the louvers to the roof of the Sedan this evening in between chatting with Fair-goers. Actual, assembly time for the center row of 47 louvers about an hour, with explanations of what I was doing, a little over 2 hours. Hosted on FotkiThe plan at this stage is to allow the roof and putty to cure until Sunday. Then add the 2 center rows of 43 louvers each, then let it sit until the 30th when SABA does an all day build/demo at the Oregon State Fair.
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Post by Fletch on Aug 23, 2009 22:13:30 GMT -8
This is the update from the 23rd copied directly over from Traditional Rod and Kustom. One of the members there had ask a couple of questions based on the previous update.Would the hood out of the Revell '37 sedan (orange colored one) with the louvers be able to be modified (hack up big time) to make a '32 hood? I don't know if you could get away with using the '37 hood. I would think the difference in the size (height and width) of the louvers would be enough to keep you from using one. But, it might be worth a try. The work on the hood required making cuts for the long row on each side just as described below for the roof and drilling and trimming for the short rows. The hood was a bit easier, but more time consuming then the rows of louvers on the roof. Here's the hood after today's work session at the County Fair. Dave, how are you making the cuts in the roof? My first thought was to be a smart ass and say, "Carefully", and let it go at that. Anyway, after the first or center row was in place it's a matter of guesstimating the spacing of the other rows based on the photo of the roof. Then just laying out where you want the remaining rows, marking the center line or in the case of this I marked where I wanted the outside edge of the louvers to line up. I drew around the strip of louvers to serve as a guide where to cut as each strip tends to be a bit different in width. Then it's a simple matter of chucking up the P/E Circular Saw Blade in the battery powered Dremel. Cutting inside the lines drawn for the strip, scribing the top and bottom of the piece being removed. Then using a scalpel (Xacto kinfe) and files widening the slot so the strips tightly fit. Glue them in place and reinforce them with Evergreen strip (.010 X .250). www.voyagermodel.com/products.asp?producttype=tool&page=1Voyager's website was down for a while but is back up, you can also find them from a couple of other online vendors. Here is today's progress on the roof: Hosted on FotkiThe filler that is between the louvers has been removed, so all 133 louvers at this point are clean. I plan to sand them out about mid week allowing glue/putty sufficient time to cure. The remaining 80 louvers will be added next Sunday when we do our one day demo/build at the Oregon State Fair.
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Post by brizio on Aug 28, 2009 7:53:23 GMT -8
A lot of work!!! But looks very good!!!
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Post by Fletch on Aug 28, 2009 11:28:05 GMT -8
Thanks, FaBrizio, Hopefully by the end of our day at the State Fair the last 2 rows of louvers will be in place and I can get to some serious building. All the parts have arrived and are waiting on the bodywork.
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Post by brizio on Sept 1, 2009 7:07:04 GMT -8
How went the Oregon State Fair? I hope you guys had a great time!!!
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Post by Fletch on Sept 1, 2009 20:57:44 GMT -8
Well the final rows of louvers are in place. The last 2 rows were added over the weekend during an all day demo at the Oregon State Fair this past Sunday. The Fair attendance on Sunday was around 27,000. It was a bit strange to be working away on the louver strips or cutting on the roof and look up and realize you had 20+ people transfixed on what you were doing. Of course you then got to spend the next half hour explaining what and why of the project. Here's the roof with all 213 louvers added. It is a time consuming process but, I think it will be well worth the effort. Hosted on FotkiTo the best of my knowledge all the parts have arrived, so the serious building can commence. I'm looking forward to getting this in paint so I can see either how good the louvers look or wondering why I invested so much time on them in the first place.
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